deliplayer as xmplay/winamp plugin?

scorpmoon · Joined: 05 Jun 2024 Posts: 3

I've never liked Deliplayer GUI and probably never will... Focus on what you're good at (emulating amiga exotic formats) and forget about trying to make an intuitive user interface, you failed!!!

I want deliplayer as a plugin, so I don't have to switch between players to hear my collection.. and so I am able to stream my music as radio using icecast (which xmplay supports but deliplayer doesn't)

Please please please realize that you failed with the GUI, it is NOT user friendly, and a takes alot of effort to use..

wilson · Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2024 10:18 am Post subject:

I agree, to a certain extent. The current GUI is kind of... complicated if you're not used to it. It took quite a while before I decided to close winamp for good in favor of deliplayer after downloading it. The only thing I regret now though is not doing it sooner. It's complicated, overwhelming even at first, but very likeable when you take the time to really learn to use it.

However, I don't think this is a reason for the devs to stop working on the GUI - quite the contrary. The ideas JOn posted over here look very promising (IMHO), especially for new users who might want a winamp-ish interface and start from there (or stay for that matter). I think it would be best if much of the options in the server configuration were hidden or marked as advanced settings or something in "basic mode", IME the players tree adds quite a bit of clutter...

So, to sum it up: The interface is not very good for newcomers at the moment, but I think that's about to change.

gee, it almost sounds like I'm being paid to say this... if only it were true...
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Coma · Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 81 Location: Modland

I fail to see what the problem is. It can hardly get any more intuitive than with the spartan or system interfaces. What do you want? A play button that says "PLAY"? How it looks is a different thing of course. But I don't care if a program looks pretty or not as long as it does what it's supposed to do.

There may be reasons not to prefer DP as default sound player, or even want to use it at all (the troubled client/server model, general instability, various other bugged things that never seem to be fixed) but I hardly consider "unintuitive GUI" one of them.

Nevertheless... Winamp has many nice skins... so Winamp-skin-loadability would maybe be a nice feature. Then the newbies would have their familiar interface, eliminating the risk of scaring anyone away. But there are lots and lots of things of higher priority.

scorpmoon · Joined: 05 Jun 2024 Posts: 3

Skins have NOTHING to do with being userfriendly, skins will nomatter how talented the designer is always have a learning curve for the user. A native GUI will always be easier to learn.

But that's not the point, deliplayer fails in all aspects regarding useability.

Coma · Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 81 Location: Modland

"...you failed with the GUI, it is NOT user friendly..."
"Fails in all aspects regarding useability".

Unspecified whining such as this is pretty useless.
Care to elaborate exactly what it is you find so overwhelmingly difficult?
I would also like to hear in what crucial way you think the default layout of Winamp's GUI (which you seem to like) differ from the default layout of Deliplayer's GUI in regards to usability. They are equally simplistic and essentially identical. What enables you to use one of them while considering the other "failed"?

scorpmoon · Joined: 05 Jun 2024 Posts: 3

I don't use Winamp, Nullsoft is evil, they plague the user with adware and offers. I use XMPlay, now XMPlay is skinned too which I dislike, but that's not the point as I said.

To begin with criticism about deliplayer GUI would make me an author, I could write a book about it.. I'm not even gonna bother, if you can't see it, talk to your optician

The reason why I even bother writing in here is because I can't live without my amiga exotics.. so it's a nescessity for me to use deliplayer.. But then again, sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be more userfriendly to fire up UAE with Eagleplayer

Coma · Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 81 Location: Modland

OK. Enough time wasted.

wilson · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2024 10:37 am Post subject:

Alright, stay quiet then, even though I too would like to see you elaborate on what's so bad about deliplayer... Like I said before I agree that it is a wee bit complicated, but it's not that bad! And the configurability is hard to beat, skin or no skin...

Enough talk, gotta hit the store before they close for the night.
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quock · Joined: 01 Dec 2024 Posts: 12

A large portion of the UI layout is customizable; you can rearrange your buttons, sliders, etc in anyway you like. If you don't like the UI, then play around it until you do (IIRC, you need to enable 'god mode' somewhere to do this.) Feel free to share your layout with the rest of us afterwards in this topic.

Sunrise · Joined: 27 Dec 2023 Posts: 14

I, personally, really LIKE the deliplayer GUI.

I´m using the spartan interface and it gives me everything i need and want in a very elegant and easy to use way. I don´t really get why people always prefer the looks of winamp - most of them probably didn´t even bother to try 1/3 of deliplayers possible GUI-configurations. I always thought that the deliteam made an almost perfect player even more user-friendly by introducing more possibilities and less limits in the design.

Foobar also is a very good player of choice (soundquality wise) but supported formats can´t match deliplayer. It also can´t match deliplayers "stickable" window-interface which i always thought is a great idea and it´s actually pretty close to winamps interface.

The more i think about it´s limits, the fewer i really see important parts were they could´ve done better.

Eagerly awaiting the hopefully soon next incarnation of it

JOn · Joined: 09 Dec 2024 Posts: 68 Location: Scotland

Coma · Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 81 Location: Modland

And I think that people who are too stupid to use DP probably have much worse problems in their lives, like not being able to tie their shoes or remember their way home, etc. etc. There is no reason to pay attention to whining trolls or try to see problems where there are none.

wilson · Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2024 12:13 pm Post subject:

Y'know, all this deli vs. winamp layout talk reminds me of the linux vs. windows debate... I know that there's a "slight" difference, and personally I agree with Coma. However, I also know that lots of people simply don't care for lots of options when the simple setup works just fine (well, most of the time). Hell, that's why I still exclusively use windows...
In other words, I would never use the dumbed down UI, but I'm pretty sure a lot of users (and quite possibly many new users) would appreciate it.
Just my two swedish öre.
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psychophanta · Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 35

Hi all,
By the way, does someone know how to automatically decrunch tunes after draging it to Winamp playlist window? I can't find any plugin for that

JOn · Joined: 09 Dec 2024 Posts: 68 Location: Scotland

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